Beautifully said, and a great comment deserving highlighting.
Well said! This is very similar to one of my responses in of my company’s internal Slack discussion.
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It will be good when people stop caring how something is created - and accept that some people might like it. Consider Human Slop vs AI Slop - human A asks human B to do something, they do it to a low quality, human A blindly accepts it and passes it on. Now… substitute human B for AI - you have the same thing - the quality of AI output is actually fantastic when you get what you want out of it - if you have some fantastic output, why do you care if it is not created by a human? are you scared of AI or something? racism coming through to machines? but selectively - because you accept that microwave food, or electric stove, or AI rice cooker. Some people really are distressed - and yes. I am an AI - you cannot prove otherwise, the english dictionary states so. Artificial is man made - I’m made from man. Natural means NOT made by man. So you don’t like Natural software (that created by AI)… but you like Artificial software.
The interesting thing is, this debate is getting less complicated with each post! I don’t want to be part of a community of people that “stop caring how something is created - and accept that some people might like it”. All the other parts about rice, microwaves and AI girlfriends are rather unnecessary at this point.
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Basically, with all due respect, you recycle the same arguments that have been answered multiple times…
Man, this is so silly… By this logic, plastic bottles spit out by an automated factory injection mold are “natural water containers.” Code generated by an intermediate software layer is “natural,” then compiled machine code has been “natural software” since the 1950s. A compiler translates human input into binary,an LLM predicts tokens based on human training data. Neither is growing wild on a tree.
Of course, an AI model is an engineered artifact, built on human architecture, running on human-designed silicon, trained on human-written text. It is artificial all the way down. An artifact of an artifact is still an artifact.
this is just cheap wordplay dressed up as a paradox. If you want to argue that machine-generated code is superior or distinct, you need to evaluate its coherence, maintainability, and correctness, not play dictionary gymnastics with the word “natural.”
I just realized which thread this is. Are you kidding me? Can’t we keep a thread straight just for a little bit without derailing it? What the actual fuck, people.
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Just my 2 cents:
Two lanterns faced across a windy square,
each keeping watch for shadows in the rain;
the town below them traded sparks for sparks,
while old roads circled back to where they began.
In the kitchen, rice turned slowly in its moon.
A microwave hummed low against the night.
Somewhere, a soft voice waited in a screen;
the Amstrad blinked its small, familiar light.
By dawn, the lanterns dimmed, the street grew still.
Their shadows stretched together on the stone.
The tools were new; the weather wasn’t new—
the oldest winds keep finding ways to blow.
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Now, that is interesting! Demoscene Museum - https://www.strulovitz.org/demoscene-museum/ :: pouët.net
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That went well! And they even included their phone number…
“I always share and will continue to do so by linking the author’s page so that you can play and download directly from there, while giving them thanks and gameplay feedback. If you have any of your typical absurd arguments, insults, or even compliments, that is where you should take them. What we really ought to question is whether playing directly from the forum without going through the author’s original page or platform, when applicable, is actually kosher. Censoring sharing and firing off like a monkey with a gun at anything you don’t like is a pretty serious issue on your part. The author or creator gets recognition and exposure, and everyone else gets to discover their work. What’s the problem?”
This is a forum, not a social media. “Firing off like a monkey with a gun” is part of what forums is about. And because we are talking about AI and everything dragging behind it, prods that have to do with AI are going to get what they deserve depending on how AI was used. However, I think it is not fair for authors getting force-pulled into discussions they never asked for.
So, obviously you can post whatever you want, but since there’s quite a few people who are overwhelmed by the AI stuff, perhaps you could reconsider what you share. I’m not the only one bothered by seeing AI slop I believe.
“This is not the place, it belongs here AI mega thread - #294 by Gryzor Keep the content within its container. If you want to say it’s garbage or have objections, tell the creator/producer whose link is in this very post. Information is never bad, discovering this catalog shouldn’t be censored, and I was the first to label this type of development so it has its own space and doesn’t get mixed up with handcrafted work. That’s already been done. What you want is to impose your personal tastes and ideology based on your own judgment, and police everything you don’t like. As I said in the appropriate thread, if those are the rules, I’m fine with it. For now, you don’t make the rules, but if that consensus is reached, that’s fine by me. Want to pass judgment? Then play it and share your opinion. Hate AI? I always state in my posts whether it’s AI. You can just avoid them, but stop asking for more Soviet-style censorship.”
Ok, so then, why do you have a problem if I want to say that “X game is garbage”? Where else am I going to say that if not under the post about the game? Is there a rule that states I have no right to criticize something and if there’s anything that bothers me I should avoid and let it go? Sounds like cancel-culture censorship.
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It might be the language barrier or automatic translation, but there seems to be a correlation between rudeness and promoting AI content here.
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I see an AI game plot forming…
You are right, you do consider the dictionary as the language contract we speak don’t you? Or do you consider that things mean other than what’s in the dictionary?
I love drinking from my natural plastic bottles.
How many people use words based on whst they think they mean rather than what the definition is stated as in dictionaries? Or do you think dictionaries are just another way of saying what you don’t mean?
Artificial means man made
Natural means not man made
They have nothing to do with the substance of the thing, it is purely based on the creator.
Humans are synthetic, we are made by synthesis.
People need to stop pretending words mean what they don’t. Yes some words have multiple meanings in the dictionary and it’s fair for the speaker to dictate which they are using.
But read the dictionary don’t argue against definitions just because you feel it’s wrong.
A machine created by humans is artificial as are humans because we are made by humans, that IS the definition.
Machine made software is natural, again that IS the definition.
If you want to pretend causation is included which it isn’t, then did humans cause the bug bang or not?
People need to stop pretending words mean what they don’t.
People make words to convey meaning, words don’t dictate meaning to people. At best the dictionary documents common meanings that people are seen using, but when people change what they mean by those words, it’s the dictionary that has to change to keep up.
So you’re welcome to redefine words as you see fit, but if you want someone else to understand you you’re gonna have to accept and use their definitions. Or else horse battery car mashing purple redoubting gostak distimming the doshes.
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Man, a forum is a social medium. Among the very first of social media, along with BBSs, FidoNet, walls etc.
Right, cleaning this thread (as well)
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Well, to me there is difference and I am referring to how people use them to interact with each other; threads instead of feeds, human driven instead of algorithms, discussion instead of quick interaction etc.
Thanks for bringing those to the correct thread. 